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Title: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: domdom on May 05, 2016, 05:40:19 PM
Hopelessly delayed, communications blackout for months followed by a 3000 word post from the shafer that boils down to nothing substantial, funds expended but hoping for jan 2017 release (3 years later)

This is a dead game. 

Maybe I'm biased (I am) because shafer ruined civ with civ5, but I acually had high hope for this game until he completely shit the bed.... again

Turns out making a game isn't as easy as he expected, maybe he should have thought about that before taking folks money and throwing it into the game dev fire
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Lensar on May 05, 2016, 10:42:18 PM
Making a game is pretty hard, it's true.

Guess we'll have to wait for the update to see what's going on.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: RickDeckard on May 06, 2016, 02:22:47 PM
Civ 5 vanilla scaled back in complexity certainly to civ 4  complete but it took a much needed step in limiting units per tile so terrain mattered.

Hopefully Jon will have an update out for us shortly, but even though the length between updates can be tiring he always delivers good information.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Athelas on May 06, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
well, Im perfectlz happy waiting for a better product.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: kmich on May 06, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
Nope, not going to buy it now, for sure.

I found Jon's podcast a few weeks ago.
Very excited to hear him talk about developing the game.
That motivated me to buy the game.  And Jon seems like a genuine guy.
But then I came to this forum, and yikes.

I still have hope, though.  I wish Jon all the luck.
But for now, I'll keep my money.

Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Lensar on May 06, 2016, 07:39:18 PM
It's an indie game being developed by a single full-time person.

You can read his last update here: Road to Release (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jonshafer/jon-shafers-at-the-gates/posts/1424574)

It is what it is. Hopefully, we'll hear more when he gets a chance to provide a new update.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Athelas on May 08, 2016, 02:26:02 AM
The fun i had with
The game as is is good for the cost. And when it finalizes it will be great.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: domdom on May 08, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
I get its an indie game by a one man dev team, and i understand the delays, but what is not excusable is the huge gaps in communication.  This seems to be a reoccuring theme.  These people donated money to fund this game, its pretty disrespectful to leave them completely in the dark for months at a time.

I have also been following kickstarted 4x space game MORE and while their dev process has been mirroring jons in terms of huge delays, their main dev has been good about staying in communication.  It only takes a minute to say "still working on it"
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Athelas on May 09, 2016, 03:18:08 AM
Well, that I can agree with that little communication is better then no comm.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Craigbob on May 10, 2016, 11:54:16 AM
So how does this work on Kickstarter? Do people get their money back?
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Davion Fuxa on May 10, 2016, 07:28:35 PM
So how does this work on Kickstarter? Do people get their money back?

Kickstarter can't do anything about getting your money back once a project has been pledge to and succeeds in hitting its goal. Unfortunately, unless Jon comes through on his end to complete ATG, you don't get anything back for your trouble.

It's one of the risks you take by being a Backer - if the Creator can't follow through on achieving his goal, then you get nothing; or you get less then what you desired which is entirely preferable to nothing at this point......
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Craigbob on May 11, 2016, 12:55:28 PM
Maybe Jon went to go work on this?

http://kotaku.com/civilization-vi-coming-later-this-year-1776007440
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: dancingbogman on May 11, 2016, 08:33:36 PM
After Civ 5 I imagine John Shafer could have gone to lots of companies and made more civ-style 4x games. Instead he went out on his own and created something unique and special in ATG. We are all lucky that he actually cares enough about his craft that he took this risk. ATG in its current form is an awesome accomplishment--it is easily one of the best strategy games of the past few years.

I need to go make some parchment.
Title: Update
Post by: Jon Shafer on May 13, 2016, 07:03:38 AM
Hey all, apologies for the lengthy radio silence. I've been dealing with some health issues the past few months and had to take some time off. I'm back in the saddle as of today though, so no need to worry about whether the game will be finished or not - you should start seeing updates to the game again next week!

- Jon
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: RickDeckard on May 13, 2016, 10:44:20 AM
Jon,

Great to hear, glad you are doing/feeling better. Can't wait to hear from you.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Jon Shafer on May 13, 2016, 02:15:01 PM
Thanks Rick, it's good to be back!

- Jon
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Hope on May 13, 2016, 04:58:34 PM
Hey Jon, good to see you communicating again.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Athelas on May 15, 2016, 07:55:48 AM
Good God. I knew it was health related. Heres one family doc if you ever need advice just ask.
Get well first is the main thing.

As a sidenote. You see how too much booze and chicks can be the death of you!
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Baloun on May 17, 2016, 04:39:23 AM
So I bought the game and it is great - one of the BEST games I played in years. I really hope it will be done one day. And I hope you are well mr. Schaffer as I liked your work on Civ IV and V!
Title: Re: Update
Post by: Dale on May 18, 2016, 08:28:12 AM
Hey all, apologies for the lengthy radio silence. I've been dealing with some health issues the past few months and had to take some time off. I'm back in the saddle as of today though, so no need to worry about whether the game will be finished or not - you should start seeing updates to the game again next week!

- Jon

Hey Jon,

Glad to hear you're back in the saddle and feeling better.

Dale
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Craigbob on June 01, 2016, 04:01:00 PM
......
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Athelas on June 03, 2016, 10:55:07 AM
How does one post empty post?
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: shimwooley on June 04, 2016, 11:12:50 PM
How far along is the game by percentage ?
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Athelas on June 05, 2016, 05:02:56 AM
Id say 60-70%. You can play and have fun. Quests arent polished and some smalish bugs, rest is playable!
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: sic on June 07, 2016, 12:50:26 PM
But it does not have a real AI right? Only a very basic prototype that isn't a challenge.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Dtolman on June 10, 2016, 09:48:28 AM
The game system itself is fairly challenging - managing your tribes, moving your base camp as the seasons change and resources are used up, keeping everyone fed and supplied.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Athelas on June 11, 2016, 12:03:33 AM
Yup,
Not much space for AI there,
Just to have other tribes more active and Romans of course.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Voqar on June 17, 2016, 05:22:49 PM
Maybe I'm biased (I am) because shafer ruined civ with civ5

Ug.

I had to register just to completely disagree with this.

Yeah, some people don't like change and didn't like some of the core changes but for me, Civ 5 is by far the best iteration of the game and even today, years after release, when I check http://steamcharts.com/ Civ 5 is still one of the top 10 played games - every day (47k users as of this posting), along with selling roughly 7 million copies as of a year ago (http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/civilization-v-sold-over-7-million-copies-on-pc-32084533/), so apparently a lot of people disagree with you.

50k active users/day 6 years after release and 7m copies for a strategy game is pretty sick and doesn't happen to "ruined" games.

The core of Civ 5 is so good that they're keeping a lot of it for Civ 6 too, vs the major shifts between 4 and 5, so apparently Firaxis disagrees with you as well.

Two core things that I doubt will EVER change back from Civ 5 are 1 UPT and hexes (Civ VI is bending 1UPT rules a smidge but it's still going to pretty much be 1 combat unit per tile).  Why?  Vastly superior to squares and stacks of cheese.

As with most complex strategy games, the game got better and more robust with xpacs (same as EU IV, GC2, and many more), but the core of the game has always been there...

I'd say for his first AAA game at a pretty young age at the time, he did pretty well for himself.

I thank Jon for helping take Civ to new heights and helping make the best iteration of Civ.  He doesn't get nearly enough credit for it.

PS - Been following ATG and hoping for a great game to materialize some day.

Regards,
Voqar
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Dale on June 19, 2016, 06:04:46 PM
Yeah, some people don't like change and didn't like some of the core changes but for me, Civ 5 is by far the best iteration of the game and even today, years after release, when I check http://steamcharts.com/ Civ 5 is still one of the top 10 played games - every day (47k users as of this posting), along with selling roughly 7 million copies as of a year ago (http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/civilization-v-sold-over-7-million-copies-on-pc-32084533/), so apparently a lot of people disagree with you.

50k active users/day 6 years after release and 7m copies for a strategy game is pretty sick and doesn't happen to "ruined" games.

That only shows it's popular, not good.

A lot of people don't like Civ5 as it went more tactical then strategic.  This is valid.
A lot of people like Civ5 as it went more tactical than strategic.  This is also valid.
Title: Re: Update
Post by: Taibi on June 20, 2016, 02:28:51 PM
Hey all, apologies for the lengthy radio silence. I've been dealing with some health issues the past few months and had to take some time off. I'm back in the saddle as of today though, so no need to worry about whether the game will be finished or not - you should start seeing updates to the game again next week!

- Jon
I am happy to read you have overcome those issues, while sad you had to suffer them.

Haven't been playing in a long time, but pleased to see you are still alive and kicking.

I do hope that you don't sink under the pressure of it all, including any money related issues. You have one patient supporter in me.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: domdom on June 26, 2016, 10:00:00 AM
Maybe I'm biased (I am) because shafer ruined civ with civ5

Ug.

I had to register just to completely disagree with this.

Off topic but this forum is as dead as the game so lets argue!

Shafer copy pasted panzer general onto civ.  It made for an interesting early game but the late game suffered greatly and became a tedious slog of traffic management.  Ever play a big country in continents and try to do a naval invasion?  Its the 8th circle of hell.

I welcome the addition of tactics but it wasnt well thought out or implemented.  Civ6 is iterating upon this way more than the smidge you hint at.  The concept of armies that encompass several units into 1 is a great solution and models combat width, a concept that civ5 really needed.

If you havent hit the mod scene, the mod that makes it 2 units per hex makes the game so much more enjoyable, and furthers the whole tactics theme.  The fact that things like this werent iterated during civ5 dev makes me wonder.  It only took me one playthrough to see how awful it was that the system didnt scale with era.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Davion Fuxa on June 26, 2016, 11:05:26 AM
I welcome the addition of tactics but it wasnt well thought out or implemented.  Civ6 is iterating upon this way more than the smidge you hint at.  The concept of armies that encompass several units into 1 is a great solution and models combat width, a concept that civ5 really needed.

Soooo... Endless Legends then?
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: Craigbob on June 27, 2016, 04:18:05 PM
Lol, Kotaku blew up saying the same thing about EL when this update was posted.
Title: Re: This game isn't coming out.
Post by: johnweib on September 13, 2017, 05:58:46 AM
I am also waiting.